What Does
the Rise of China Mean for the Rest of the World?
Interview with China Rising author Jeff Brown
By Kim Petersen
September 14,
2016 "Information
Clearing House"
- Punto Press, a small press dedicated to
progressive titles, has published
China Rising: Capitalist Roads, Socialist
Destinations by
Jeff J. Brown. The book is an effort to educate
fellow Westerners about the realities of China and
demolish the multiple layers of western
disinformation and propaganda that demonize this
nation with a 5000-year history.
Brown has
gravitas to write such a book. First, he is fluent
in Mandarin (as well as learning Portuguese, Arabic,
and French). Second, he has lived 13 years in China,
currently in Shenzhen. He has also traveled to most
of its regions. This served as a foundation for a
political travelog Brown wrote,
44 Days Backpacking in China: The Middle Kingdom in
the 21st Century, with the United States, Europe and
the Fate of the World in Its Looking Glass.
In addition
to his years of having lived in China, Brown's
having grown up in Oklahoma and having graduated
from Oklahoma State University has provided him an
ringside seat from which to compare and analyze the
imperialist war-making United States and the
anti-imperialist rise of China, now in concert with
Russia, described in rich, colloquial detail (e.g.,
Brown refers to the Chinese government as Baba
Beijing; a colloquialism that I'd translate to
as Big Daddy Beijing) in China Rising.
I carried out an email interview with Jeff Brown to
illuminate western media fabrications about China
and to examine US political and military
machinations against the next preeminent economic
power, a socialist nation whose rise can be viewed
as an ominous signal portending capitalism's demise,
or at least its competitive equal.
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Kim Petersen:
First since you have years of experience in China.
Whopper question to begin, yes, but as a lead-in
could you sum up the major change(s) you�ve seen and
what this bodes for the future of China and the
world.
Jeff J. Brown:
So, Kim, here is your whopper answer. China has
never stopped adapting to what it needs to move
forward, going back to liberation in 1949. During
what I call the Mao Era (1949-1978), many reforms
and measures were routinely implemented to move the
people forward and improve their lives, although
this is often ignored or denied in the West. During
the Deng Era (1978-2012), this similar notion of
�continual improvement� for the people changed gears
and capitalist methods were integrated into China�s
economy to accumulate the wealth that the Communist
Party of China (CPC) feels the country needs, to
realize the Marxist transition from socialism to
�rich� communism. Now we are in the Xi Era
(2012-present) and the government, whom I
affectionately call Baba Beijing, is taking steps to
keep the Chinese constitution�s goal of achieving a
communist society and economy.
With such
lofty goals as these, it is not surprising that
China and its 1.4 billion citizens are in a constant
state of evolution. We lived here 1990-1997 and came
back in 2010, after a five-year hiatus in France and
nine years in the US. It was a jaw dropping and awe
inspiring experience to see what had happened in
just 14 years. Not just the infrastructure and
overall development of the country, but the parallel
growth and sophistication of the people was and
continues to be, for me, the greatest fascination.
The Chinese are an incredibly resilient and
adaptable people, which is a key reason that they
possess the longest, continuously existing
civilization in human history.
Since 1949,
China has brought one billion citizens out of
poverty and created the largest and fastest growing
middle class in the world, now over 300 million and
adding 10,000 citizens to this category, every day.
In purchasing power parities (PPP), China surpassed
the US, to become the world�s #1 economy in 2014 and
in PPP terms, will be 50% bigger than America�s in
only a year from now. In classic exchange rate
terms, China will leap frog the US before 2020.
China�s
President Xi Jinping calls this the �new normal�.
But in reality, it�s the �same old same old�. Until
1872, when a colonized and plundered China finally
fell from grace as the world�s biggest economy, in
the face of a rapacious, drug dealing, imperial
United States and Western Europe, the Middle Kingdom
was always the biggest country with the biggest
economy, going back 5,000 years. How big? In 250 BC,
the mighty Roman Empire had 4,000,000 subjects,
while at the same time, the Chinese nation had
35,000,000, almost nine times as many.
Thanks to
an anomalous, 500-year change of fortunes between
the colonial, expansionist West and China, starting
in the 15th century, until now, the European races
can be forgiven if they think being masters of the
world�s 85% dark skinned people�s and their natural
resources has always been their divine right. But
now, with China�s freedom and independence from
Western tyranny, starting in 1949, they are going to
have to wrap their heads around getting back to
China�s �old normal�, of being humanity�s leader. As
long as the CPC stays in power, and I think they
will for 100 or more years, China will continue to
claim economic supremacy on Planet Earth.
This is
welcomed by the vast majority of humanity, since
they are the ones who have been pillaged, raped and
massacred by the West, for thousands of years,
starting with Alexander the Great, in the 4th
century BC. But China as the world�s �big dragon� is
also very positive for citizens of Eurangloland.
Western wealth, all its monuments, museums,
skyscrapers and broad boulevards, was and is being
stolen from underdeveloped countries. It is all
built on the blood and bones of at least a billion
souls, who have been and are continuing to be
slaughtered and exterminated by Eurangloland and
Israel. Our standard of living is thanks to ongoing
racism, colonialism, imperialism and war across the
planet.
Not at all
true for China. The Chinese have never been
hegemonic, colonial, nor imperial. For thousands of
years, the Chinese expanded their nation out to
their natural borders. They had many opportunities
and were centuries ahead in the technology
department, to be an Asian Alexander the Great,
Genghis Khan, Andrew Jackson or King Leopold II.
However, it�s just not in their cultural and
political DNA to dominate and exploit other peoples
� regardless of all the Western propaganda to the
contrary.
You don�t
have to be a rocket scientist to see that the West�s
global empire of colonialism is starting to
collapse. World War I and II were the clarion calls
of decline and the hundreds of other wars and the
violation, if not destruction of most of the
planet�s countries and their governments, since then
and ongoing, are the harbingers of doom.
KP:
Next the question of the Chinese political-economic
system. The People�s Republic of China is nominally
Communist. There was no question of this while
Chairman Mao Zedong set about modernizing the
country. Leftist professor emeritus James Petras
argues,
however, that China has strayed from socialism and
that a second revolution is under way in China that
seeks to moralize capitalism. He cites Deng Xiaoping
as stating to be rich is glorious. This is
incorrect, and there is no record of Deng ever
having said such. So the introduction to Petras�
thesis is off to an inauspicious start.
Petras in a
later article
writes,
�China�s capitalist development was based on a
triple alliance of national, foreign and state
capitalists, all of whom depended on the widespread,
massive corruption of state-party officials.�
This was in
2015 when the tenure of current Chairman Xi Jinping
was underway. One of his key planks is ridding the
Chinese Communist Party of corruption. He sees the
survival of the CCP as dependent on this. [See,
e.g., Xi Jinping,
The Governance of China (2014):
location 352.] Xi has made clear that China is
Marxist-Leninist in orientation but that it is in
the earliest stages of socialism. Given that
corruption has long existed and is not fully
eradicated (if such is even possible), and given the
growing
number of Chinese billionaires, and given the
high GINI coeffient what is your take on
�socialism with Chinese characteristics�?
JB:
There is a well-known stable of commercially
successful �China experts�, who have not had the
same experiences as I have had over 13 years here,
and continue to do so. They see a China that they
imagine, or onto which they project their mythical
Western ideals. These notions are cultivated among
fifth columnist locals, chambers of commerce types,
sinophobic, communism-hating expats and red baiting
people back home. On the other side of the spectrum,
it is being in a bubble of like-minded educators and
intelligentsia, who reject China�s adoption of
capitalist tools to create the wealth that Marxism
needs to evolve towards rich communism.
When they
travel here, they move around in their five-star
hotel bubbles and they get their information and
ideas from this same colonial/imperial milieu, on
the one hand, or communist idealists on the other. I
should know, since I used to be a member of the
first group, until returning to China in 2010. So, I
can empathize. Coming back to China in 2010 was the
beginning of a transformative journey, in the arc of
my existence in this life.
Ninety-nine
percent of Westerners cannot accept the fact that
today, China is a communist country, economy and
people. Until I researched and wrote
44 Days Backpacking in China: The Middle Kingdom in
the 21st Century, with the United States, Europe and
the Fate of the World in Its Looking Glass
and then
China Rising: Capitalist Roads, Socialist
Destinations, I was among this huge
majority. The experiences and knowledge I gained in
China, since 2010, allowed me to deprogram the
Western avalanche of Pavlovian propaganda about the
evils of communism and socialism.
What I
learned is that not much has changed since the
beginning of Chinese civilization. China was
communist long before Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels
made it a household term. With the human weakness of
projecting one�s self-inflated sense of superiority
over Others (racism), Baba Beijing�s adoption of
market style tools to create wealth for it citizens
is conflated as �aping capitalists�. Every leader
since Mao Zedong, up to Xi Jinping has been
consistently clear about this. In accordance with
Marxist theory,
We have to be rich before we can
transition into pure, wealthy communism. We are
not going to give up our hard fought socialist
society to do so. Thus, we will use certain
aspects of capitalism to get rich enough, so
eventually, we can live in communist harmony.
This is the definition of
socialism with Chinese
characteristics.
How many
�China experts� have read China�s national
constitution? Its latest version was guided by the
West�s favorite �free marketeer�, Deng Xiaoping, in
1982. It is a defiant, principled, anti-capitalist,
anti-colonial and anti-imperial manifesto, full of
implied contempt for Eurangloland and everything it
stands for.
The flag of
the People�s Republic of China has five gold stars
on a red background. The solid red stands for
communism stretching across the entire nation. The
big gold star represents the CPC. The four smaller
gold stars in the CPC�s orbit stand for the working
class, the agrarian class, the small business class
and the big business class. During the Mao Era,
workers and farmers were favored over the two
entrepreneurial classes. After Mao, Deng and all
subsequent leaders have promoted the last two
classes back into China�s economy, along with heavy
support for urban workers and rural folk, to create
the wealth needed for rich communism. Last year,
China dramatically streamlined the business license
process and millions were issued. The CPC loves its
citizens� entrepreneurial spirit, with the
employment and economic activity it generates for
the masses.
On the
ground here, every square centimeter of China is
publicly owned. No one can own real estate, only
private property. Every bank, insurance company,
airline, railway, subway system, port, airport and
all (toll) roads and highways belong to the people.
All media, phone companies, water, gas, electricity
and nuclear utilities are people-owned. Baba Beijing
dominates over 100 key sectors of the economy,
including chemicals, maritime shipping, agricultural
commodities, precious metals, auto and truck
manufacturing, steel, mining, construction,
aerospace and avionics. The list goes on and on.
Public real estate and massive state participation
in key industries are what Marxists call
�controlling the means of production�. Yes, some of
these state-owned enterprises have been put on the
stock market. But read the fine print. The maximum
level of private stock ownership is only 30% and
consolidated control of those shares is prevented.
While there
are tens of thousands of village and county level
SOEs that could be more �efficient�, from a Western
capitalist�s standpoint, they are a bedrock of
social and economic stability for the hundreds of
millions of citizens who live outside the major
metropolitan centers. Baba Beijing is no fool. They
are staying on the books, with tweaks, reforms and
consolidation, so that Chinese society stays
harmonious and overall, prosperous for the masses,
or the little guys.
But the
bigger the SOEs get, the more profitable and well
run they become. Few Westerners know that China has
the world�s largest bank (ICBC) and three more in
the Top Ten; two of the five biggest petroleum
concerns, the largest railway corporation and some
of the world�s biggest airlines, steel, mining, auto
manufacturers and on and on. In 2015, the ten
largest people-owned Chinese businesses made a
whopping +$200 billion combined after tax profits.
These �communist� corporations are loaded with cash
and they are on a buying spree around the world,
ironically turning private, Western companies into
publicly owned �red� businesses. Some of the deals
are sector changing. ChemChina is in the final
stages of buying the world�s second biggest
agriculture concern, Syngenta (after #1 Monsanto).
As you
stated correctly, Kim, President Xi Jinping is
making sure that Baba Beijing and the 1.4 billion
citizens of this country live up to the spirit and
vision of China�s very inspiring national
constitution, as well as the constitution of the
Communist Party of China. This, in spite of the
adoption of capitalist tools to expand the wealth of
the country. He is the Western empire�s worst
nightmare and just what the doctor ordered, after a
generation of sociocultural westernization.
As far as
Mr. Petras� fatuous claim of �widespread, massive
corruption of state-party officials�, if this were
true to the depth that he suggests, then how did
China�s economy grow almost 7% per annum, 1949-1978
and nearly 10% per year, since then? If true, how
has Baba Beijing lifted a billion people out of
poverty, created the largest and fastest growing
middle class on the planet, not to mention recently,
a new billionaire every week? If so, then why is
Baba Beijing, for the last 15 years and continues to
do so, garnering +80% public satisfaction levels, in
polls conducted by Western companies like Gallup and
Pew? Hands down, it is the world�s most popular
government among the world�s citizens.
The
relentless foghorn in the Western media about
China�s �massive� corruption is a classic propaganda
strategy to deflect attention away from the fetid,
venal swamps of personal, moral and financial
turpitude that is oozing out of almost every
corporation and political institution in Washington,
New York, London, Paris, Brussels and, and, and...
Of course
there is corruption here, as there is everywhere
that sedentary civilization has existed for the last
8,000 years. In China, hundreds of thousands of
government and business folk are being punished,
from fines, to loss of jobs, to hard prison time and
for the most felonious, executions. You don�t want
to be a corporate or political crook in China.
Better to pillage and rape society in Eurangloland,
where at the worst, you only have to pay a modest
fine and not even apologize, while waving at all the
suckers and chumps from your private jet or yacht.
As far as
attacking poverty, it went out of fashion in the
West with the Reagan/Thatcher neoliberal revolution,
which rapidly spread over much of the world, except
in communist countries, like China, Cuba, North
Korea and Eritrea, and later in Latin America�s ALBA
group (Bolivarian Alliance for the Peoples of Our
Americas). Every time President Xi Jinping and
Premier Li Keqiang come back from a successful
overseas diplomatic trip, both will invariably get
on national TV, showing them visiting less developed
areas of China and touting the socialist moral
responsibility to redistribute the people�s wealth
to bring the most unfortunate of the economy to an
adequate level of respectability and productivity.
There are no other leaders in the G-20 who are even
talking about eliminating poverty. And it�s not just
PR. Baba Beijing has earmarked �400 billion (about
$65 billion) to make it happen, before 2020.
I have
talked to a number of Chinese government officials
and often the first thing they bring up is income
inequality and the GINI index. They tell me that
throughout the annals of history, no government can
last long, if the wealth of a nation is not fairly
shared by all. When China�s GINI index hit 0.45 in
2012 (it was about 0.15 during the Mao Era), Baba
Beijing was apoplectic and immediately began
significant changes, with more progressive taxes,
social benefits (rolling out universal health care
and guaranteed retirement income) and people
oriented infrastructure (rest homes, community
centers, clinics, hospitals, low income housing). It
has now fallen to about 0.42 and the goal is to make
sure it goes below 0.40 and stays there. If going
measures do not get there, China�s formidable
billionaire class can expect a big chunk to be taken
out of the backsides. Xi Jinping even mentioned the
GINI index in his keynote address for the G-20
summit September 4-5, warning that the current
global level of 0.70 and climbing, bodes ill for the
human race. Like poverty elimination, no other G-20
leaders ever mention the perils of a high GINI
index, except Baba Beijing.
KP:
One capitalist pitfall China has mostly avoided is
neoliberalism. State-Owned-Enterprises remain a
cornerstone of the Chinese economy (�� we must
unswervingly consolidate and develop the public
economy, persist in the leading role of public
ownership, giving full play to the leading role of
the state-owned economy, and incessantly increase
its vitality, leveraging power and impact�: See Xi,
loc 1274.). As you point out, big Chinese banks are
mainly state-owned (China Rising, p 199.);
hence, there was no bail-out of private banks and
shareholders in China. When seen in comparison to
foreclosures against homeowners and the bail-out of
private institutions in the USA, what does this say
to you?
JB:
Westerners hear what they want to hear, when Baba
Beijing talks about structural reforms and supply
side economics. They are deluded that it means
privatizing real estate and selling off all the SOEs
to Goldman Sachs at fire sale prices. As long as the
CPC is in power, this will never happen. Reforms and
policy will stay within the communist framework.
Period.
Every CEO,
the boards of directors, VPs, department and
division managers in China�s SOEs are fire breathing
members of the CPC and if they hope to keep their
jobs, they have to run a tight ship, while remaining
loyal to the national and Party constitutions. The
vast majority have spent decades coming up through
the ranks, starting at village, then county,
provincial, regional and finally national level
business management. President Xi Jinping, Premier
Li Keqiang and the vast majority of China�s upper
level politicians came up the same way, but on the
government side, not business. Sorry Wall Street,
but China�s managers are far and away superior,
since their first goal is to help Baba Beijing
maintain social stability and popular harmony.
Profit is expected, but comes second. Western
businesses don�t have those kinds of weighty
socioeconomic responsibilities. Let�s be honest:
their only goal is maximum profit and to hell with
the human condition.
That�s why
China�s banks are used to carrying more bad debt
than in the West. Throwing someone on the street for
being late in their mortgage payments is a desperate
move. Struggling small and medium sized businesses
aren�t sold at bank auction just because they hit a
rough patch. China�s people-owned banks work with
their clients to avoid, as long as possible, the
social disruption of a foreclosed family home or
small business. It happens all the time, but only as
a last resort.
KP: A
few weeks back, a Dane expressed her surprise to me
at the number of homeless she encountered in
Vancouver. My response was that capitalist Canada
isn�t China where poverty elimination is a national
goal for 2020. Down south,
47 million Americans find themselves mired below
the poverty line. Why is poverty elimination not a
national goal or program in the USA? And why isn�t
the elimination of poverty in China greeted by
banner headlines in the West � a rhetorical question
given what we know about corporate media.
JB:
There are no slums in China. There is a huge, 300
million floating population that moves from city to
city for low level jobs, as construction, restaurant
and sanitation workers. They lead a hard life on the
road, living in temporary quarters, doing manual
labor and not being settled. I have seen thousands
of the them and talked to a few. They are gainfully
employed, not starving, nor are they undernourished,
like so many millions now in Eurangloland. There are
a handful of beggars, mostly handicapped, but given
the population of China�s cities, they are a
zillionth of a percent. And then there are those now
well-known 72 million Chinese who live in extreme
poverty and who are targeted by Baba Beijing to be
lifted out of their current fate by 2020.
Westerners
don�t like to hear it, but once one pierces the veil
and looks objectively at reality back home and in
China, the answer is obvious: China does not have
the many social and economic cancers and terrible
inequality like the West, because it is communist.
Or, if it�s easier for your readers to swallow, they
can call it socialism with Chinese characteristics.
This country is working furiously to eliminate
poverty in the next four years because it is
communist.
KP:
From the western corporate-state media we often hear
about the denial of Tibetan
self-determination along with condemnations of
China for human-rights abuses. Indeed, all nations
must be censured for human-rights violations.
However, do Canada, Australia, Aotearoa, and the USA
have any moral high ground from which to denounce
China on human rights when these western countries
exist through the genocide and sustained
dispossession of their Original Peoples?
JB:
China has many centuries of relations and governance
with Tibet. Richard Nixon came to China in 1972, to
recognize the People�s Republic. Part of the
agreement signed with Mao Zedong was that Tibet and
Xinjiang are inalienable parts of the People�s
Republic. This isn�t like Israelis, whose presence
in Palestine was negligible-to-none for a thousand
years, and then they invaded and stole Arab and
Christian lands, via genocide and terrorism, under
the collaborative, colonial eyes of Uncle Sam and
Britain. China and Tibet have a common and often
married history, going back a millennium or more.
Texas, Corsica and Newfoundland, were nominally
independent for brief periods in history, but came
back to the national fold. The same is true of
Tibet, Xinjiang and will be for Taiwan, Hong Kong
and Macao.
Western
moral ground? This is a racist, rapacious, raping,
plundering, pillaging, genocidal, war and slave
mongering, environment destroying, expansionist,
colonial, imperial and deeply criminal civilization.
It has and continues to gleefully slaughter at least
1,000,000,000 human brothers and sisters since 1492,
all in the name of God and luxurious lucre. One
billion is conservative. Dharampal, the great Indian
intellectual, carefully studied historical and
census records in what used to be colonial India. He
calculated that the British caused the premature
death of at least 1.5 billion people in the Indian
subcontinent alone. The worldwide figure is probably
twice that. But even a billion murdered outshines by
several magnitudes all of the premature deaths
caused by Russia, China, the Americas, Asia and
Africa combined. Try to find these truths in any
Western text- or reference books. The pathological
silence of censorship is deafening, alongside its
unctuous mythology.
Jeff Brown can be reached at
China Rising,
jeff@brownlanglois.com,
Facebook,
Twitter
Kim
Petersen is a former co-editor of Dissident
Voice.
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